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blythe b  
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 More options Oct 15, 7:10 am
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From: blythe b <mbowman...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Oct 15 2009 7:10 am
Subject: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
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From: RickMerrill <Rick0.merr...@gmail.lessspam.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:14:16 -0400
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Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal

Maybe you should Shut your eyes upon impact? ;-)

Also, remember to put your hands at 9:00 and 3:00.
If you put your hands at the old 10-2 and the airbag
fires off it has happened that the driver's thumbs were broken!

Hands now go at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock if you drive with airbags.


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 More options Oct 15, 9:48 pm
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From: Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:48:44 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Oct 15 2009 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
blythe b <mbowman...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
24e9291e3...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal
requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly at
the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck
everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make sure you
put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. Sheesh.

For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is
available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb or an
all-in price).

Do you know what detonates the bombs? Sodium azide, the same stuff they use
to light off high-explosives. Auto dealership technicians have fun
detonating surplus airbags in the parking lot. Sometimes they try to see
how high the bags will go when ignited, which can be up to forty feet. Fun,
wow!

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 More options Oct 15, 11:38 pm
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From: Leftie <N...@Thanks.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:38:43 -0500
Local: Thurs, Oct 15 2009 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal

    And yet only Honda seems to have decided to make them *shrapnel*
bombs...

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 More options Oct 16, 6:19 am
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From: "sci.space" <harrisonsp...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:19:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Oct 16 2009 6:19 am
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Crunchy frog, anyone?  Have to keep those Monty Python episodes away
from Honda designers.

Dave


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 More options Oct 16, 7:36 am
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From: Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:36:53 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Fri, Oct 16 2009 7:36 am
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
"sci.space" <harrisonsp...@gmail.com> wrote in news:29708244-0d10-40f8-
90f5-ed25a708d...@11g2000yqp.googlegroups.com:

> Crunchy frog, anyone?  Have to keep those Monty Python episodes away
> from Honda designers.

> Dave

You could take the bones out...  ;^)

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 More options Oct 17, 9:52 am
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From: JRStern <JRSt...@foobar.invalid>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:52:05 -0700
Local: Sat, Oct 17 2009 9:52 am
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:48:44 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>blythe b <mbowman...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
>24e9291e3...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html

>The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal
>requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly at
>the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck
>everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make sure you
>put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. Sheesh.

what he said

>For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is
>available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb or an
>all-in price).

must be all those conscientious objectors we sent them! :)

J.


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Tegger  
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 More options Oct 17, 3:39 pm
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From: Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:39:58 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sat, Oct 17 2009 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
JRStern <JRSt...@foobar.invalid> wrote in
news:lemjd5d2fcg1o3gbdbtpe19q3bp4e1pvtl@4ax.com:

I was told that insurance companies up here have mixed feelings about
airbags. Bags are very expensive to replace after a collision, and there's
often collateral damage when the bags break windshields and damage
interiors, plus they cause a lot of minor (and sometimes not so minor)
injuries when they deploy. All that's very expensive for the insurance
companies.

Up here there are neither rewards for having airbags nor penalties for
disabling them.

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 More options Oct 19, 12:06 pm
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From: "zzznot" <zzz...@invalid.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:06:25 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 19 2009 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Can I buy a new Honda in Canada,
have the bombs removed, even get a few
bucks for them, and drive the car legally
for registration in California?

Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason,
or other complication?

J.

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news:Xns9CA7A970FA9F0tegger@208.90.168.18...


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Dave D  
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 More options Oct 20, 2:09 am
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From: "Dave D" <dtdod...@acsalaska.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:09:39 -0800
Local: Tues, Oct 20 2009 2:09 am
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal

"zzznot" <zzz...@invalid.net> wrote in message

news:hbi6af$pcr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Can I buy a new Honda in Canada,
> have the bombs removed, even get a few
> bucks for them, and drive the car legally
> for registration in California?

> Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason,
> or other complication?

> J.

///snipped///

In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, it is
in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on that state's
past record, will not register such a modified car....I would check the laws
in Ca and the Feds before doing such.

DaveD


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Tegger  
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 More options Oct 20, 5:28 am
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From: Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:28:02 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Oct 20 2009 5:28 am
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
"Dave D" <dtdod...@acsalaska.net> wrote in
news:4add6239@news.acsalaska.net:

A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
functioning SRS system.

California's rules don't come into play until Federal NHTSA regs are
satisfied.
<http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/>

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Rod Speed  
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 More options Oct 20, 1:58 pm
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From: "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:58:41 +1100
Local: Tues, Oct 20 2009 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal

It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.


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John David Galt  
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 More options Oct 20, 5:26 pm
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From: John David Galt <j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:26:38 -0800
Local: Tues, Oct 20 2009 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal

Dave D wrote:
> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, it is
> in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on that state's
> past record, will not register such a modified car....I would check the laws
> in Ca and the Feds before doing such.

In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not sure
what the requirements are or whether they've even been formalized.

A car that came equipped with airbags cannot legally be driven in the US
if they've been removed.  However, disabling them (or getting an 'off'
switch wired in) does not make the car illegal to drive.  Go ahead and
drive to Canada to have the operation performed; California doesn't even
have to know you did it.


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Tegger  
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 More options Oct 20, 4:36 pm
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From: Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:36:12 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Oct 20 2009 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7k6fl9F3910cjU1@mid.individual.net:

> Tegger wrote:

>> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and
>> functioning SRS system.

> It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada.

OK, then let me be more precise: A vehicle manufactured after about 1988
(not certain of exact year) for the non-US market may not be imported into
the US for the purpose of US registration without a complete and
functioning SRS system.

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Tegger  
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 More options Oct 20, 4:46 pm
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From: Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:46:32 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Oct 20 2009 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
John David Galt <j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in
news:hbl9t3$ic7$1@blue.rahul.net:

> Dave D wrote:
>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada,
>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on
>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I
>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such.

> In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not
> sure what the requirements are or whether they've even been
> formalized.

This is technically correct. The last I read, permission must be obtained
in writing from the NHTSA.

Permission is predicated upon the presence of some definite and specific
factor that would, in the opinion of the NHTSA's bureacrats, place the
applicant in some special danger from airbags that ordinary people would
not face. These factors would include advanced age, unusually small adult
body size,  or some sort of physical infirmity, such as advanced
osteoporosis.

I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be
vanishingly tiny.

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Larrybud  
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 More options Oct 21, 2:28 pm
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From: Larrybud <larrybud2...@yahoo.com>
Date: 21 Oct 2009 19:28:33 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 21 2009 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote in
news:Xns9CA5E7F826F79tegger@208.90.168.18:

> blythe b <mbowman...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
> 24e9291e3...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/honda.recall/index.html

> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky
> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior,
> aimed directly at the occupants.

A bit dramatic, don't you think?

They also require a highly flammable liquid to be put in a tank in
the back... gallons of it!!  Oh the humanity!


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Arif Khokar  
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From: Arif Khokar <akhokar1...@wvu.edu>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:50:14 -0400
Local: Sun, Oct 25 2009 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal

Larrybud wrote:
> Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote in
> news:Xns9CA5E7F826F79tegger@208.90.168.18:
>> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky
>> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior,
>> aimed directly at the occupants.
> A bit dramatic, don't you think?

Not in the slightest.  Those "bombs" have been known to decapitate
people in minor collisions.

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Alan Baker  
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From: Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:16:31 -0700
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Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
In article <wJ3Fm.48783$Lw1.2...@newsfe03.iad>,
 Arif Khokar <akhokar1...@wvu.edu> wrote:

> Larrybud wrote:
> > Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote in
> > news:Xns9CA5E7F826F79tegger@208.90.168.18:

> >> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky
> >> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior,
> >> aimed directly at the occupants.

> > A bit dramatic, don't you think?

> Not in the slightest.  Those "bombs" have been known to decapitate
> people in minor collisions.

Cite, please!

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Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>


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Larrybud  
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 More options Oct 29, 10:55 am
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From: Larrybud <larrybud2...@yahoo.com>
Date: 29 Oct 2009 15:55:44 GMT
Local: Thurs, Oct 29 2009 10:55 am
Subject: Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal

>>> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky
>>> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior,
>>> aimed directly at the occupants.

>> A bit dramatic, don't you think?

> Not in the slightest.  Those "bombs" have been known to decapitate
> people in minor collisions.

I doubt that, but bath tubs have been known to bust someone's skull
wide open too.  If you look at one side of the balance sheet, you're
bound to come up unbalanced.

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