When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these fairly close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and some of the liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole dishes one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be simple to do (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal rack on the lower one to support the upper one.
But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons the cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used "together". So when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for advice.
> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to > fill the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these > fairly close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and > some of the liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole > dishes one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be > simple to do (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal > rack on the lower one to support the upper one.
> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons > the cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used > "together". So when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole > dish on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) > by means of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter > temperatures using the normal oven heating element. Does such a > thing exist anywhere for this purpose, or what might be some neat way > to solve this problem? Thanks for advice.
Let's get this straight... you are trying to think of a creative way to save about .0000000000002 pennies worth of electricity? C'mon, be serious now... is this a troll? -Dave
john royce wrote: > When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to > fill the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these > fairly close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and > some of the liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole > dishes one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be > simple to do (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal > rack on the lower one to support the upper one.
> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons > the cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used > "together". So when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole > dish on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) > by means of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter > temperatures using the normal oven heating element. Does such a > thing exist anywhere for this purpose, or what might be some neat way > to solve this problem? Thanks for advice.
Would it be possible to use the casserole lid but upside down, so that it doesn't create the seal? Stand the top dish on the lid. Hopefully it would give more stability that something flat.
john royce wrote: > When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the > oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
I can't muster up much concern over a penny worth of electricity for a microwave. I just don't use it that way. How long do you have it running that you feel you need to pack it full to make it most cost effective? Does the quality of cooking suffer from being packed full?
john royce wrote: > When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the > oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity. [snip] > We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on > top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of > something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using > the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this > purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem?
If I had to support one pot on top of the other, I'd probably just take a couple of chopsticks out of the drawer, lay them across the lower pot, and sit the upper pot on top.
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on > top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of > something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using > the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this > purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for > advice.
Could you make a rack out of chopsticks across the lower casserole?
You could also put the chopsticks across the casserole before putting the lid on top.
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish > on > top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of > something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using > the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this > purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for > advice.
Could you make a rack out of chopsticks across the lower casserole?
You could also put the chopsticks across the casserole before putting the lid on top. Owain
Thanks to the sensible responses. The glass casserole dishes are so well made that the lids are too closely fitting even when placed upside down. Using the oven eating element easily brings the temperature up to where the wood (chopsticks) cannot cope with it.
In article <hcs16b$bs...@news.eternal-september.org>, "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the > oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
How full are we talking here? You need some space in there for heat circulation.
> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these fairly > close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and some of the > liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
A build-up of pressure? That's a new one to me. Are you sure it's just not the contents of the casserole bubbling due to the cooking?
> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole dishes > one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be simple to do > (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal rack on the lower one > to support the upper one.
> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons the > cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used "together". So when > the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
My microwave came with a metal rack. . . .
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on > top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of > something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using > the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this > purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for > advice.
Invert a pie place over the bottom one and don't fill the bottom casserole so full that it will bubble over. Set your second casserole on top of the inverted pie plate.
PS: I am not responsible for any burns you may incur, nor any mess, nor any bad language.
Alternatively, get a pizza stone, the right drill bit, and drill holes in it ‹ the DIY rack you seek. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers? 10-30-2009
wrote: > john royce wrote: > > When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the > > oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity. > [snip] > > We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on > > top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of > > something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using > > the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this > > purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem?
> If I had to support one pot on top of the other, I'd probably just take > a couple of chopsticks out of the drawer, lay them across the lower pot, > and sit the upper pot on top.
> Have I missed something?
> Pete
Great idea, Pete! Better than mine and I wish I'd thought of it first. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers? 10-30-2009
john royce wrote: > "Owain" <spuorgelg...@gowanhill.com> wrote in message > news:d6d72abf-c38a-485c-8a04-9f2337478acb@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > On 4 Nov, 13:56, "john royce" wrote: >> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish >> on >> top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of >> something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using >> the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this >> purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for >> advice.
> Could you make a rack out of chopsticks across the lower casserole?
> You could also put the chopsticks across the casserole before putting > the lid on top. > Owain
> Thanks to the sensible responses. The glass casserole dishes are so well > made that the lids are too closely fitting even when placed upside down. > Using the oven eating element easily brings the temperature up to where the > wood (chopsticks) cannot cope with it.
what about the bottom of one of those chinese bamboo steamers which are a grid of bamboo sticks?
These are pretty cheap, or you could use the lid of a microwave streamer as sold by matalan.
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish > on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means > of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures > using the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere > for this purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem?
It would need to be something which does not conduct electricity - non metal. Maybe you could find something like a cookie sheet for a regular oven which is non metal and cut it to size, then support it with glass supports at each corner. Or maybe a "glass blower" person could design something for you?
Maybe even "glass rods" made into a rack with supports like a metal rack?
As to saving pennies or fractions thereof, if people would learn to add, they would know that pennies add up to dollars! That is why my electric bill will be $28 U.S. this month. Many things I have done to my electric system which save pennies!
>> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons the >> cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used "together". So when >> the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
> My microwave came with a metal rack. . . .
Yeah, not sure what the whole deal is with metal and microwave ovens - ours also came with two metal racks of different heights intended (mainly) for combination-cooking of baked potatoes; ie micro first, then direct heat to brown/crispen them.
I don't know whether the issue is that metal can become disproportionately hot with microwaves only, thereby maybe melting a plastic bowl or burning the unwary user?
Then again, the legs of our racks even have little rubber feet! so don't ask me.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Dave C. wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:56:19 -0000 > "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to >> fill the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
>> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these >> fairly close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and >> some of the liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
>> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole >> dishes one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be >> simple to do (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal >> rack on the lower one to support the upper one.
>> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons >> the cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used >> "together". So when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
>> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole >> dish on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) >> by means of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter >> temperatures using the normal oven heating element. Does such a >> thing exist anywhere for this purpose, or what might be some neat way >> to solve this problem? Thanks for advice.
> Let's get this straight... you are trying to think of a creative way to > save about .0000000000002 pennies worth of electricity? C'mon, be > serious now... is this a troll? -Dave
No, problem solving can be cheap.
But in the original question, there is the assumption that filling the microwave saves money. I'm not so sure, since the more you put in, the longer it takes to heat up, and hence electricity use increases. The advantage of smaller portions at a time is that you can better control how it cooks, and it's certainly easier to open the door, take the lid off one package and stir (when stirring is needed) than to deal with a full oven.
So in order for the need for some sort of rack, one first has to see if there really is a savings from filling up that microwave, or is it basically the same electricity useage cooking things separately.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:32:26 -0800, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote: >As to saving pennies or fractions thereof, if people would learn to add, >they would know that pennies add up to dollars! That is why my electric bill >will be $28 U.S. this month. Many things I have done to my electric system >which save pennies!
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:13:30 +0800, "Dave C." <no...@nohow.never> wrote:
>Let's get this straight... you are trying to think of a creative way to >save about .0000000000002 pennies worth of electricity? C'mon, be >serious now... is this a troll? -Dave
These nut cases appear every so often. To store all of those casseroles, he needs a large freezer... when the freezer is empty, he's wasting electricity. It's a cycle he hasn't give much thought to. Being frugal doesn't mean being cheap, it just means don't waste. However, he's taking the concept to the point of being a cheapskate. I wonder if he reuses toilet paper?
-- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
> Could you make a rack out of chopsticks across the lower casserole?
> You could also put the chopsticks across the casserole before putting > the lid on top. > Owain
> Thanks to the sensible responses. The glass casserole dishes are so well > made that the lids are too closely fitting even when placed upside down. > Using the oven eating element easily brings the temperature up to where > the wood (chopsticks) cannot cope with it.
A normal convection oven should not go above 250C so bamboo is unlikely to catch fire - especially as it is over food which is cooking and therfore giving off steam.
How do you expect the chopsticks not to cope?
If you are worried you could always soak them in water first.
Michael Black wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Dave C. wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:56:19 -0000 >> "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to >>> fill the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
>>> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these >>> fairly close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and >>> some of the liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
>>> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole >>> dishes one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be >>> simple to do (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal >>> rack on the lower one to support the upper one.
>>> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully >>> lessons the cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used >>> "together". So when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be >>> used. We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole >>> dish on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter >>> ) by means of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter >>> temperatures using the normal oven heating element. Does such a >>> thing exist anywhere for this purpose, or what might be some neat >>> way to solve this problem? Thanks for advice.
>> Let's get this straight... you are trying to think of a creative way >> to save about .0000000000002 pennies worth of electricity? C'mon, be >> serious now... is this a troll? -Dave
> No, problem solving can be cheap.
> But in the original question, there is the assumption that filling the > microwave saves money. I'm not so sure, since the more you put in, > the longer it takes to heat up, and hence electricity use increases.
Full does however reduce the inevitable losses, most obviously heating the oven itself, particularly if he uses the convention part at all, but even if he only uses it in microwave mode.
> The advantage of smaller portions at a time is that you can better > control how it cooks, and it's certainly easier to open the door, > take the lid off one package and stir (when stirring is needed) than > to deal with a full oven.
Yes. But if you are into documenting the batches properly, you should be able to get the detail right so you dont need to inspect and adjust with the later batches with most food.
> So in order for the need for some sort of rack, one first has to see > if there really is a savings from filling up that microwave, or is it > basically the same electricity useage cooking things separately.
sf wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:13:30 +0800, "Dave C." <no...@nohow.never> > wrote:
>> Let's get this straight... you are trying to think of a creative way >> to save about .0000000000002 pennies worth of electricity? C'mon, be >> serious now... is this a troll? -Dave
> These nut cases appear every so often. To store all of those > casseroles, he needs a large freezer... when the freezer is empty, > he's wasting electricity. It's a cycle he hasn't give much thought > to. Being frugal doesn't mean being cheap, it just means don't waste. > However, he's taking the concept to the point of being a cheapskate. > I wonder if he reuses toilet paper?
I thought many things about his post, but I decided to answer the question that was asked.
john royce wrote: > When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to > fill the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these > fairly close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and > some of the liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole > dishes one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be > simple to do (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal > rack on the lower one to support the upper one.
> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons > the cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used > "together". So when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole > dish on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) > by means of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter > temperatures using the normal oven heating element. Does such a > thing exist anywhere for this purpose, or what might be some neat way > to solve this problem? Thanks for advice.
Go to a cheapo tile shop, or even hardware store, and get appropriate size large ceramic floor tiles to separate/stack the dishes.
> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill the > oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these fairly > close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and some of the > liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole dishes > one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be simple to do > (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal rack on the lower one > to support the upper one.
> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons the > cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used "together". So when > the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish on > top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of > something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using > the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this > purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for > advice.
Save far more money by tweaking recipes so very little of the ingredietns even need heating, let alone cooking. Saves lots of time too.
> When making casseroles in the microwave combination oven, I try to fill > the oven right up; so as to be frugal with electricity.
> Although some casserole dishes come with lids, I find that these fairly > close fitting lids usually create a build up of pressure and some of the > liquid then squirts out, all over the place.
> To utilise all available oven space it means stacking two casserole dishes > one on top of the other. Using a normal oven this would be simple to do > (bearing in mind I'm not using lids) by using a metal rack on the lower > one > to support the upper one.
> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons the > cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used "together". So > when the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish > on top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means > of something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures > using the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere > for this purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? > Thanks for advice.
> john royce wrote: >> "Owain" <spuorgelg...@gowanhill.com> wrote in message >> news:d6d72abf-c38a-485c-8a04-9f2337478acb@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >> On 4 Nov, 13:56, "john royce" wrote: >>> We have been trying to think of a means of supporting one casserole dish >>> on >>> top of another one ( the top one usually a smaller diameter ) by means of >>> something that will tolerate microwaves and the hotter temperatures using >>> the normal oven heating element. Does such a thing exist anywhere for this >>> purpose, or what might be some neat way to solve this problem? Thanks for >>> advice.
>> Could you make a rack out of chopsticks across the lower casserole?
>> You could also put the chopsticks across the casserole before putting >> the lid on top. >> Owain
>> Thanks to the sensible responses. The glass casserole dishes are so well >> made that the lids are too closely fitting even when placed upside down. >> Using the oven eating element easily brings the temperature up to where the >> wood (chopsticks) cannot cope with it.
> what about the bottom of one of those chinese bamboo steamers which are > a grid of bamboo sticks?
> These are pretty cheap, or you could use the lid of a microwave streamer > as sold by matalan.
> dedics
You should actually be able to use metal skewers instead of chopsticks. As long as the gap between them both and between them and the metal walls is large enough, they will not spark and will have little effect on heating.
Oddly enough, our first microwave (a Tricity combination oven fifteen years ago) had a metal rack and specifically mentioned that it was okay to use it for combination cooking - I can only think that thanks to the glass turntable, it was held far enough away from the metal casing.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:41:33 +0000, Lobster wrote: > Melba's Jammin' wrote: >> In article <hcs16b$bs...@news.eternal-september.org>, >> "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>> But when using the combination feature (which I find usefully lessons the >>> cooking time) both normal heating and microwave are used "together". So when >>> the microwave is on, a metal rack cannot be used.
>> My microwave came with a metal rack. . . .
> Yeah, not sure what the whole deal is with metal and microwave ovens - > ours also came with two metal racks of different heights intended > (mainly) for combination-cooking of baked potatoes; ie micro first, then > direct heat to brown/crispen them.
> I don't know whether the issue is that metal can become > disproportionately hot with microwaves only, thereby maybe melting a > plastic bowl or burning the unwary user?
> Then again, the legs of our racks even have little rubber feet! so don't > ask me.
> David
The metal racks do not become hot from the microwaves, but in early microwaves that didn't use turntables or steer the microwaves, all the microwaves would come from one direction and bounce around until absorbed and the metal racks could shield the food preventing it cooking properly. Also if any metal in the microwave comes close enough to any other metal, the gap between them will spark madly.
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